@OwO ... and the people complaining are almost always the people with metaguns too, lmao. Irony since if I wanted to get an "unfair" advantage like they qq about I'd just uninstall all my mods and just W+M1 with the metaguns like them again, lol.

They definitely know very little about mods indeed, they complain a lot but none of the none of the mod haters ever seemed to catch on that I used mods in my game to make the game harder lol (and just cluelessly scream "WHY ARE THERE TWO DOZERS AND TWO CLOAKERS AT THE SAME TIME").

@Brofessor® exacly that's the best part, they complain about you using mods that makes guns too strong and unfair
and yet, they use META guns that just give the same result as you
hell i was once using a minigun mod that gave the minigun maximum dmg and a f0ck ton of ammo, i was rushing and killing every coop, and a guy in my team was using akimbo shotguns (the ones that are complete garbage alone, but akimbo is completly broken) and we were on the same level of dmg and kills per second

and yet he was complaining to me for me having too much ammo

and yea i remenber having a assault mod that made the assault breaks in game take much longer to be more fair in the game, and 90% of times people were always like ''WHERE ARE THE COPS?!''
and im like ''we are in the assault break dude, they are planning the assault'' and they still got confused, even after i explained how the mod worked, they just didnt understand shit and thought i was just killing the cops randomly (yea, like nevermind the fact that my character is not saying any kill voice line and the assault banner is still displaying assault break)

this just goes to show how little these people know about mods

@OwO Yeah fr, you know the meta is that busted when even something like the Serious Sam Minigun or the Crysis 3 Typhoon custom weapons (which I thought were super strong but super fun/cool to use) on here can barely keep up with the KPM of a cookie cutter akimbo shotgun build. Also akimbo shotguns have like the best ammo pickup in the game, so that's even more ironic, lol.

Hah, doesn't even seem like they know there used to be an actual assault break in vanilla too, otherwise they would know what that is, lol. One simliar experience was when I used the Irenfist mod back before it was abandoned/broken, but I eventually had to turn off the cops cuffing players option cause I got tired of explaining to clueless people accusing me of using P3Dhack to cuff/grief them. There's too many people clueless about mods in general, doesn't help that a lot of new PD2 youtubers are kinda also equally clueless or the type of people to use meta guns and complain about any sort mods lmao.

@Brofessor® indeed, that's the level of unbalace we are in payday, were even mod weapons that ARE supposed to be OP cant compete with the vanilla weapons with only a few weapon mods and skills
like....at this point, if u want to cheat in payday, just use akimbo grimm or goliath shotguns, it's the equivalent of turning the game to easy mode

and i remenber when i had people calling me a cheater because i was getting cuffed by the cops, i had a silly mod of every time a cop gave me a mellee hit, i would get cuffed, and people called me a cheater for this
now exaplain to me, how does a mod, that makes only ME get cuffed by a cop if he mellee me, makes me a cheater? even tho getting cuffed is worse than getting downed, because u cant shoot while cuffed, nor can get revived by inspire, all u can do is only mark enemies, if that rlly matters..

people in this game just really dont know the difference between a hack and a cheat and a mod
yea, there is people who call mods ''hacks'' like......ffs just do a google search of the difference on these 2 and it will be crystal clear
here's what google said ''What's the difference between modding and hacking in gaming? Modding is where you add or change the content from the base game. Hacking is where you have third-party software that is enabling you to do something better or faster than others can in a game, like aim-bot or in-game currency hacks.''

@OwO Indeed. There was even this cool custom crossbow on here called Heart Piercer crossbow that would let you one shot bodyshot enemies and even explosive bolts replenishable by ammo pickups. In theory it seems super OP, but in practice it isn't nearly as effective as vanilla shotguns cause it can't instakill an entire group that just spawned in lol. At this point nothing feels truly "cheaty" unless it can give you more power than akimbo grimms or goliahs or the other meta weps (and that's an insanely high bar to clear atm). I've played a lot of rebalance mods and I'd say there aren't really any rebalance mods on here that do that lol. Might as well just "cheat" by playing the vanilla meta instead lol.

I actually had another guy I made friends with in this game who got told making the game harder is cheating! He complained to my friend that FSS was cheating cause changing the gameplay is cheating and some other midwit logic of the sort, lol (that's not what cheating means lmao). Said friend told me the person complaining was some streamer with just him and his cat btw. Maybe that guy was just mad he embarassed himself in front of his cat by dying lol. I've yet to run into someone with the balls to say making stuff harder is cheating in my own hosted games though. Maybe I'll just reply "skill issue" to them when I inevitably do (or whatever current phrase of the month people love to use to handwave bad balancing in vanilla).

@Brofessor® i think a rare case i got once, when i was using the full speed swarm, someone in the server said ''are you using any assault mod?'' and i said ''yea im using the full speed swarm'' and well, isntead of complaning he just said ''nice'' and keept playing, but taking better cover

and of course, sometimes i get people that just start to complain and complain in the chat while in the game, all the while they arent playing or helping the team, and im just there like ''dude, if u hate it so much, just leave the damn game, im not holding a gun to your head for you to stay here . _ .''
they really just want to complain about shite, then go to your profile to harass u and call u a cheater, when they are being the most obnoxious and toxic human you'll ever have the displeasure of meeting

@OwO Nice, that's how things ought to be, lol. I've gotten people who said they liked my lobby setup too.

Never got hate mail on my steam profile over PD2 yet, I have gotten those people just standing still to complain too though lol. They can leave anytime they want to go host their own "no mods allowed" lobbies but they're like "nah let me just write up a few essays for everyone to make a bold statement", well they think they're making a bold statement, but in reality they're just wasting their own time lol (not like they're gonna get street cred and become famous from joining random people's lobbies and complaining lol).

@Brofessor® indeed, like i dont know why they seem to feel special when they are complaning about other people using mods
when like, 90% of the people that join my servers, dont even care a single bit, they just keep going, sometimes they even stop and just look around at my mods or at what im doing (because sometimes i use 2 secondaries or a minigun while walking VERY slowly) but they keep going

meanwhile yesterday i was playing casually with a couple of randos, then a random guy suddenly stopped and say ''oh, im just now noticing, this guy is a hacker, pathetic'' and left
i think he said this because i left a emc on a area to give us some time to breath with the turrets
and only after 11 whole minutes of playing, the dude noticed and left

meanwhile the other 2 players just...ignored completly
and ironicly, the next player that joined, was a guy with a total of 800 armor points, barely no skill points, yet could aready inspire me XD

the irony was delicious on this one

@OwO Same, most people don't even mention anything at all for me, either they just don't know anything is different or don't mind. Even half of the time even people who join my lobby and actually point out something is clearly different from vanilla will just stay anyways. Silent majority seems to say as long as if it's not just basic bitch stuff like spawning infinite bags or giving all skillpoints, then don't notice let alone care.

Heh, that's pretty funny. Yea, some people will like take ages to notice (even if it's pretty obvious something is different), then after they think they made a big statment compaining and then leaving, someone else joins just 30 secs later and they've accomplished nothing, lol

@Brofessor® yep....annnnd now i ran out of ideas and stuff to talk about heh

we went from talking about the holdout mode to talking about people complaining about mods
what a long a$$ talk Lol
well, it was nice talking to ya mate, good luck on your mods, and hope u have a good day/evening/night pwp

@OwO Yup, same here, was a good talk. It was fun chatting to you, feel free to chat more some other time if you ever feel like it, and thanks o7

@Brofessor® no problem mate